Dialogue on Consciousness
RFG- in Arcadia- Los Angeles- February 2007
Interlocutor: You say that the brain can function at 100% but that the majority of human beings do not achieve this before they die.
Rubén Feldman Gonzalez: I say it with ease. We are no longer in the year 1500, when they burned the people who became enlightened.
I: What is your consciousness like?
RFG: My consciousness is the consciousness of humanity. It is not possible to define the word consciousness because the intelligence that understands it, is the intelligence that at the same time is Unitary Perception, which is, “to become aware of all the perceptible that is occurring at the same time, without effort, without haste and without expectation”.
The observation includes all of the observable in Unitary Perception. The observable includes the observer.
I: Is there another consciousness and another intelligence?
RFG: What I say throughout my Written Work is that Perception can be Fragmentary (the known) or Unitary (the unknown), which is the true and not the imaginary life.
Unitary Perception is the intelligence of Functional Brain Precinct “B”. The intelligence of Functional Brain Precinct “C” is what the Weschler Revised Test measures and that which can “read” between B and C. Once I discovered Precinct B, I knew when to use memory, thought, imagination and the “I” of Precinct C, and when to be in the profound and immediate energetic peace of Precinct B.
I: Is it possible to live without consciousness, or that is, without realising that one exists?
RFG: When the human being sleeps in the sleep stage NREM- S-4, he does not have known consciousness (memory, thought, imagination, “I” or dreams).
The human being in a coma does not have any consciousness of the functional brain precincts B or C. On awakening from a coma or from sleep, they enter C. They could wake up to B directly, as I do (or as happens to me), after many years of attempting to live in precinct B (Unitary Perception).
But to learn to live the non-imaginary life of Unitary Perception is a question of minutes if there is no egotistical interference of fears or personal desires.
Without doubt, after I teach this experience, I recommend emphatically the complete study of Unitary Perception and of Holokinetic Psychology. The subtleties of Unitary Perception are many and very profound, for this reason I recommend the reading of the complete Work written by me on the theme. Luis Cordova and Jorge Gonzalez have started to write on this theme, always with the principle of being scientific, clear, concise, concrete; attempting to simplify the difficult without distorting it.
I: Why is the word “consciousness” not defined?
RFG: That is because even measurable intelligence, let us say with an I.Q. of 120 or more on the Revised Weschler Test, KNOWS that precinct “C” IS NOT all that there is in the human mind.
The unconscious exists in precinct C only. Precinct B is purely conscious.
I: If you say that the mind is universal and therefore in all the Universe, like matter and energy, how is it possible to go beyond the Universal Mind?
RFG: One goes beyond the known mind (precinct C) and discovers the Universal Mind.
The first step and the last step is Unitary Perception (something that the mutant Jiddu Krishanmurti called “meditation”, a word that he personally eliminated on the first of September 1985 in London)
It was JK-2 who asked me to use “Unitary Perception” to speak about what he called “meditation”.
Mental precinct C is by nature cyclical, B is by nature a-cyclical, but A is by nature unknown. A good brain functions with ABC. But 99% of human beings function only in mental precinct “C”.
I: What is precinct “A”?
RFG: It cannot be explained with words, symbols or numbers.
I am starting to write about this, redefining words such as “enlightenment”, “sanctification” and “transcendence”.
We have to dialogue fraternally about this without mystifying it, without appropriating it in organisations, without it being something esoteric, mysterious, gradual, philosophical or metaphysical.
I: Tell us about the Mind-Body relationship.
RFG: In my dialogues with JK-2 (Jiddu Krishanmurti) he came to say that the brain was created by God, by creation. But the Mind IS that creation.
The brain does not produce Mind. The Mind functions in the brain. The brain does not produce sodium. Sodium acts in the brain, in each neuron. Let’s say that light is perceived by the eye and that consciousness is perceived by the brain.
I am attempting to be clear, concise, concrete and simple.
I: Socrates said that man knows less than he believes.
RFG: Without doubt.
And Saint Paul adds, a number of centuries later, that the Second Awakening (to Unitary Perception) is better than believing.
One wakes up at first from sleep to wakefulness and then one can have the Second Awakening, from wakefulness to Unitary Perception.
I: It appears that religion is connected with your description of consciousness.
RFG: But it is connected with the original religion, not with the 5 thousand known christianities.
We have separated daily life from the religion of Jesus Christ. This has been done by the fragmentary perception of thought (precinct “C”).
From there you get 5 thousand christianities that say that they understand Jesus Christ. But the misery and the wars continue, even amongst christians.
There are 500 buddhisms but they do not help to understand consciousness. We should not confuse Jesus Christ (JK-1) with the 5 thousand christianities.
We should not confuse Holokinetic Psychology with the 23 Psychologies that are in fashion at the moment. The terrible thing is not what we don’t know about the mind. The terrible thing is what we do know and is mistaken.
I: Physics studies matter and energy but it does not understand consciousness.
RFG: Present physics is happy with only precise statistical predictions. This is not studying matter or energy. What we know of matter and energy is still in the intelligence of precinct C, which cannot understand consciousness directly, as precinct B does.
This understanding is very real but it is not of a verbal, symbolic or numeric nature. There is no explicable relationship between the Mind and the Brain unless we understand the holokinesis of the physicist David Bohm, author of “Wholeness and the Implicate Order”.
We could start by saying that the Mind is the interface between Matter and Energy and then redefine the word Mind, as I do throughout the whole of my Written Work.
This does not signify that there is something better than science in precinct C. Mind is Universal, as are Matter and Energy. They have no need of the human brain. This is understood by resorting to a metaphor: a ghost has no need of the human brain, except the brain of he who perceives it.
The human being realises that time is irrelevant (as well as being absolute and relative) on entering into Unitary Perception, which is functional precinct B, which has its own intelligence. This (B) is an intelligence that is not cyclical and not directed towards any object. This intelligence does not need effort, haste or expectation. I am not speaking about emotional intelligence, which is also of precinct C.
Living in Unitary Perception, (not the imaginary life), we understand that the Universal Mind does not need human consciousness. If the human being continues his daily life separated from the Universal Mind, his disappearance as a species could occur very soon.
The striated muscle that allows us to hunt and to escape in order to survive, can also play football and dance salsa, simply to pass the time or entertain oneself.
Intelligence “C” that plans the hunt and the collective flight of the tribe, has also constructed mathematics.
2+2=4
But this intelligence has constructed 23 psychologies. Resorting again to an explanatory metaphor, in the psychologies it has been said that 2+2=5 and that 2+2=3 and nobody has protested except me and the Professors of Holokinetic Psychology of the International Academy of Sciences (IAS): Luis Cordova, Jorge Gonzalez, Rafael Angeles, Cecilia Gonzalez in Mexico and other professors in Mexico and other countries in the International Academy of Sciences.
In the same way that the eye does not hear and the ear does not see, precinct C cannot do what precinct B does.
Consciousness is understood completely when B includes C and the brain functions at the same time with B and C.
Let’s continue tomorrow please. I have to speak to someone now who has very delicate health.
February 14th 2007
I: Consciousness does not come from language or culture. Where does it come from?
RFG: It comes from life. Living beings (all) are conscious. It is something biological. This is not understood in C. It is understood directly and nonverbally in B. But less than 1 per thousand of humanity live in B.
I: Is it so difficult to live in precinct B?
RFG: What makes it difficult is the terror that we have of changing, of abandoning our daily horror.
We are afraid of losing our physical security, which is a security imagined by precinct C and that even the millionaires do not have. For this illusory security, we make the most horrible concessions. We even become voluntary slaves of consumption and debt.
Only in Unitary Perception do we begin to live in the fruitful and energetic peace that is the basis of the original Kristian Communion. Without Unitary Perception, the human being is very incomplete. His life is envy, fear, anger, sadness, little gossips, and profound mediocrity. The mediocrity of searching profit, prestige, pleasure and power.
I: What place has God in consciousness?
RFG: The place that we give it. For now it has a place only in our language and in our imagination. We live an imaginary life. It is not the true life.
You know the word “God” is not the God of Creation. You know that the word “water” does not quench thirst.
I: The same thing happens with the word “consciousness”.
RFG: The same. We live without total consciousness, we live with only a partial or fragmentary consciousness.
I: Could we say that consciousness exists in space and time?
RFG: We could but it would not mean anything. This is a philosophical and high-sounding phrase that would leave a metaphysicist or philosopher impressed, but for me this phrase means nothing. I hope that my frankness does not offend you.
(Pause)…
Let me clarify this for you, please. Consciousness exists in time in precinct C but does not exist like this in B. Consciousness exists without time (here 100%) in precinct B. Unitary Perception (B) includes memory (C), but is free of it. That is, consciousness is free of time in B.
If you have seen cinematographic documentaries about the life of insects and plants, one knows that a lot of consciousness fits, for example, in the head of an ant. If many join together in a concentrated way with the same expectations, the same effort and the same urgency, they can eat a human being in the same time that one needs to eat a complete meal without dessert (so that it will not be so expensive) in a good restaurant. I have seen it in documentaries about Marabunta and soldier ants. I only hope that I don’t meet them and that they don’t move to my neighbourhood.
But there still exist many human beings with forces, urges and expectations very similar and homicidal, which carry the name of nationalism, racism or of organised religious fervour that lead even to suicidal homicide.
I want to say that space is necessary to park a car, but space is not needed in which to place the consciousness. The brain in space does not produce something non-spatial (consciousness).
Consciousness exists in the implicit order of the Universe and is made explicit in all the Universe, in all of the forms of life and even in the very matter and energy from the Implicit Order. David Bohm made me see all this with holographic clarity in more than one decade of dialogue.
Here I feel tempted to ask you to read all of my Written Work, but I won’t do it. You will do it if you understand the importance of what I say.
I: Was consciousness born in the Big Bang (BB)?
RFG: That is an interesting theory. I prefer to be here and now in the GSP (great peaceful silence). This is found only in precinct B, which is Unitary Perception.
When I walk at night in The Death Valley where I live and look at the sky, I don’t hear any explosion, I hear the living silence of the desert and I see the celestial lights in great peace.
It appears uncompassionate that consciousness does not have a home and that it wanders destitute. This consciousness is all that there is. It is the home itself of everything.
Precinct C (imaginary thought) wants to find a home for it because it does not understand that the consciousness cannot have a home. It is necessary to read “Group Mind” by David Bohm or his great book “Wholeness and the Implicate Order” to understand this a little more. Group Mind is not precinct B.
Consciousness is in all the Universe, in the same way as Matter and Energy, in the electron of the experiment of Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen (designed by Bohm) and in the marriage of sodium and chlorine, a marriage that gives a flavour to our mashed potatoes.
I: How is consciousness related to free will?
RFG: Ok, if you put this question to a good astrologer, he will tell you that they are not in any way related, and that free will is an invention of human thought to give the ego illusory gratification and importance.
I: Then there is no free will?
RFG: Free will exists only in precinct “A”.
Jeff Dahmer, the serial homosexual killer, who killed dozens of young afroamerican men, said, shortly before a young afroamerican man crushed his head with gymnasium weights, in the state prison where he spent his days and nights, that he NEVER WANTED to be a homosexual nor a serial killer.
It appears that Jeff Dahmer was not exercising his free will. If you decide to stop eating, your free will may last less than 60 days. Our inventions of thought (including even mathematics) obviously do not explain everything to us about Mind, Consciousness, Matter and Energy (which are all Universal).
Despite this, Unitary Perception (B) can change one’s life for the good if you are one of those few people who take this seriously and do not mix it with anything known.
Ruben Feldman Gonzalez
rufegon@percepcionunitaria.org